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Sheneisha speaks with Dr. Kennetth Joseph about what it's like to be a first-generation American or immigrant working in corporate America right now. He shares his unique insight and experiences with us and more.

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Sheneisha: What's going on, family? It's Sheneisha of Living Corporate, and today we're gonna have that conversation. We're gonna have that conversation of "What is it like to be a first time/generation American or immigrant in America right now working in corporate?" "What is it like to have a seat at the table?" And not only have a seat at the table as a person of color, but to have a seat at the table carrying the torch for your family, for your generation - being the first to do it. What are those experiences like? And today we have Dr. Kennetth Joseph, who is a pharmacist--a strategic pharmacist working for one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies in America right now. Kennetth is going to share his insight on what it's like to be the first, what has been his experience, what has he been exposed to, and his outlook on being the first-generation American within his family to work at a corporate capacity. And if you guys haven't already--I don't know why you haven't, but--go ahead and give us 5 stars for the podcast, as well as follow us on Instagram. I hope you guys enjoy the conversation that is being had between Kennetth and myself, and just stay tuned.

All right, Ken. So how do you identify yourself? We're speaking on first-generation American immigrant in corporate America. How does Kennetth--Dr. Kennetth Joseph--identify himself?

Kennetth: Great question. I mean, first and foremost I feel like being "the famous first," as what my family likes to call it, it's just a blessing and an honor, and if it wasn't for them I wouldn't have made it this far, because they [?] me along the way. Now, in regards to how I identify myself, I am a Haitian-American. You know, my parents came here in the '80s from Haiti, and the rest is history.

Sheneisha: All right, all right. I hear you. [?] '80s. All right. [laughs] Okay, so as a first-generation Haitian-American, how do you identify yourself in corporate America? Do you still identify yourself as a Haitian-American, or are you just black American, American--like, how do you identify yourself in corporate?

Kennetth: Yeah. Good color and clarity to the question, because it's still the same. I make a good point at work, even in a corporate capacity, to make sure folks know that I am Haitian-American. Everybody knows I'm from South Florida. There's palm trees on my desk. Everyone knows I'm Haitian first and then American. I speak Creole. You know, at the times we play music at work I play some kompa (konpa), so I really try to embrace my culture and not let corporate America dictate who I am as a person and where I came from.

Sheneisha: I definitely think that's major. I know a lot of times we can have the whole identity crisis in corporate America, trying to conform to what they would like us to be or what they would assume that we should be in that capacity. It's almost as if you identify as anything else outside of just black, African-American, then it's almost as if you're challenging the culture. Or am I a little bit too far off to the left?

Kennetth: Well, I'll say yes [?], right? So when you think about [?], that's a bucket of everyone with more pigmentation to their skin, right? Some folks even put the darker-toned Indians or Mexicans under the bucket of "black" just because it's a color, right? The reason why I call out Haitian-America is because that's my culture, you know? Toussaint Louverture led the rebellion in the Caribbean that led to the rebellion in America by way of the Louisiana Purchase. So there's a lot of rich history and culture, so I use that to anchor myself, because it's that courage that I use, [?] my ancestors fought, that I continue to fight and, you know, kind of pave the way for the legacy I'm trying to leave on this earth.

Sheneisha: That's real, that's real. Do you feel challenged by this when you're at work? Do you feel challenged when you walk the halls or sit at your desk or sit in a conference room?

Kennetth: I do, honestly, to a degree. I'll say that, you know, working in corporate America, especially in pharma, you know, I have a [?]--I am a pharmacist by trade, but I'm the only pharmacist in my division. I'm the only black male in my division, and I'm the only Haitian [?], you know? So there's a lot of layers that I feel like I have to make sure I'm cognizant of, but I also try to [?] others within, you know, the layers of me, you know? Because being of a diverse background in a majority-white capacity, or majority Caucasian, for lack of a better word, you know, you must take it upon yourself to educate the masses. I feel like, you know, ignorance is a state of unawareness, right? So we use any opportunity to educate folks about our culture, be it African-American, be it Haitian-American, Jamaican-American, or even [pure?] thereof. That's why I really make a point of it. So if you asked anybody from the VP all the way down to the janitors, they all know I'm Haitian-American.

Sheneisha: And then a first-generation American. So what influence does this have on your day-to-day interactions with your colleagues, being a first-generation Haitian-American? What influence do you think this has?

Kennetth: I think it gives a greater sense of urgency. You know, like I said, my parents came to the states in the '80s. I'm the youngest of five. My parents actually had two kids that were in Haiti. Before they left, the kids were of age. They made the decision--my oldest siblings, my oldest brother and sister, they made the decision to stay in Haiti, so my mom and my dad came to South Florida. Once they got packing, made it to the area, and had to my two older brothers--excuse me, my older brother and my older sister and myself, for a total of five, that's when it really hit me, you know? Every time I think back to it. Like, "I'm my mom's last hope. I'm my dad's last hope." And, you know, it's funny when you go from the first--excuse me, from the last to the first. So that's why, you know, my family, they have the [notion of?] "the famous first," you know? So now I segue into being the first in my company as a first-generation Haitian-American, being the first black pharmacist on my team. It's a lot of newness, so it's--I don't know. It boggles my mind, but it also fuels me, and I think that knowing that I'm the first I have to continue to fight. So going back to that sense of courage, because, you know, walking into work every day when you're the only one that looks like you, walking into work every day where no one truly understands or sometimes even appreciates your background, but, you know, you take pride in it because that's your identity, that's who you are. So once again, that's why I try to educate folks, and any opportunity I have, you know, stopping by the bathroom, you know, walking to the bathroom or a quick drink of coffee, you know, having lunch, I always try to insert a little bit about my background, about my heritage, to better edify folks so they understand who I am, not just as an employer or coworker but as a person.

Sheneisha: That's deep, that's deep. So you said before, and you mentioned I think, like, twice, about having to fight. What exactly are you fighting in corporate America as a first-generation American or immigrant? Like, what are you fighting against?

Kennetth: Well, I guess I used the term fight because that's what life is, right? Life is a battlefield, and, you know, I have a competitive spirit, and I think [?] unlocks that competitive spirit when I use that type of word choice. So I'm very meticulous when it comes to word choice, 'cause words are the precursor to actions, but the fight itself is really just trying to understand how to navigate, you know? I'm big on mentorship as well, because I've been mentored throughout my entire life, throughout my matriculation in the College of Pharmacy and even thereafter, and I, you know, gave back in the same sense. So, you know, I'm a mentor to, you know, pharmacy students, business students, just folks across the nation either directly, by way of my alma mater [?], or folks just reaching out on LinkedIn. We hit it off, and they continue to come to me for insight and guidance, but the fight comes when, you know, the story changes, right? There's different phases in life, so growing up it was easy to get that guidance because there was always somebody willing to help, right? Call it more of a community-type ideal, right? It takes a village. So there's always somebody in the village that's willing to help, but that village you come from is people that look like you, come from the same backgrounds as you, have the same type of fight in themselves as you. You know, if it's an older individual, you know, they try to live vicariously through you, so they want to see you succeed. In corporate America, you know, it's more--it's almost like a lonely fight, you know, because since there's so little folks that look like you, let alone any [?] depend upon, you know, the division, the capacity, so on and so forth. You know, you may not interact with anybody who looks like you or understands you to that degree on a day-to-day. So for me it is a different sense of urgency and a fight, if you will, because it's a battle, right? And being the quote-unquote "famous first" in my family, I choose to fight. It's a noble fight, you know, because I came from a long legacy of fighters, going all the way back to the Haitian-American culture and heritage of Touissant Louverture, who led that rebellion once again. You know, I always make mention of that because it reminds me to rebel against the norm, you know? It's not every day that you see a first-generation Haitian-American go and get a terminal degree, leave South Florida, which is a comfort zone, you know, for my heritage and my background, go to Chicago where--although Chicago was actually founded by a Haitian Frenchman, there's not much Haitians in Chicago. So it's a neverending fight, but like I said, I use that term to kind of trigger myself to have that sense of courage and perseverance.

Sheneisha: You mentioned about mentorship and being in corporate America and having a mentor. I want to do a shameless plug and talk about your Manhood on the Go foundation, where you are mentoring others as well--which I know you mentioned pharmacy students, business students, and those who reached out to you on LinkedIn. How did you come about being a part of Manhood on the Go? I want to do that brief segue. So how did you get into doing Manhood on the Go? Was it inspired, again, by you being a first-generation American?

Kennetth: Yeah, and I would say because the actual founder is Iman Sandifer, a good friend of mine from South Florida as well. He is not Haitian. He is African-American, but it's once again that commonality of being from South Florida, being a first-generation, you know--I'll save his story for another day. Maybe he can share it through this platform, but it's that commonality when you're in the village, being that he came from where I came from. We had a lot of similar thoughts, you know? We were like-minded individuals trying to obtain that common goal. That common goal was, you know, breaking the barriers of the past and making sure that we're capitalizing on the opportunities of life. So I met Iman on the campus of Florida A&M University, and we just hit it off, you know? One of our greatest passions was mentorship, and I actually first met him while we were mentoring for a research program that was funded by Florida State University that had a research product that they were, you know, trying [?] comparative analysis on "at-risk youth," is what they call it, but it was basically kids that grew up like him and I grew up. So when he started the foundation and, you know, asked me to a part of it, you know, it didn't take much for me to just jump in full-heartedly and give it my all, because that's one of the places where we mesh well and we have that same goal. So now we just want to help folks that came from where we came from and are trying to head to, you know, bigger and better things like we are.

Sheneisha: Look, that's powerful, to get out there and share what you've been given and to make sure that you're encouraging others to do the same and to go after things and having that passion and that drive. I think that's dope. That's dope. That's super dope.

Kennetth: Yeah. I mean, it's reach as we climb, and each one teach one, right? So [?] came up with that name, Manhood on the Go. It's like--as a young black man in America myself, you know, I'm Haitian-American, himself a young African-American, but once again [?] is the notion of a black man, you know? We're always grinding, right? You know, we have that saying, [?], you know? It starts off in the village, if you will, and then once you go into your--whatever [?] you take but for others [?], right? So I remember I was going to class and class and then going to the extracurricular organizations, being in a fraternity, [?], myself being on a wrestling team, being a part of all of these different organizations on-campus, off-campus and the community. Always on the go, always on the go, but one of the things that we do is we put manhood first, because that's one of the biggest things for us, because we want to make sure that we keep that spirit up because there are [?] men looking at us. You know, there's qualities in him and I that other young men are looking for mentorship on, you know? So we always make sure that we're cognizant of that. You know, you never know who's looking at you. You never know who's aspiring to be like you, and, you know, folks may not always reach out for help, but you'd be surprised how much of an influence you could have, both indirectly and directly. So, you know, when folks reach out, it's a humbling experience for myself and for them, because, you know, that's how that connection is made, but even for those individuals who are just looking from afar, you know, that's that indirect influence that we're still keen on.

Sheneisha: So speaking on influence, how do your culture impact your work ethic? Your work ethic, your relationships. Let's talk about that. How does your culture impact that?

Kennetth: All right, we're going there. [laughs]

Sheneisha: [laughs] Let's go all the way. Since we're here, let's go all the way.

Kennetth: [laughs] I'll start off with work ethic. So, you know, both of my parents are, you know, extremely hard-working individuals. You know, going back to my upbringing, they have--well, I guess society would call it a blue-collar background, right? And I just remember my dad working tirelessly throughout the days, 'cause he was in construction. Like, it's a different beast when you have to wake up at 3:00 in the morning, be at work at 4:00, and you're not getting off until 7:00, you know? My mom worked at a hotel, and I remember growing up--while we were at school she was at home, and then while we were at home she was at work. So she'd work the evening shift because, you know, there's not much jobs for refugees so you have to get it how you live. And I remember her walking, you know, 10 miles to get to work during the hot sun, at the peak of the hot sun, and then walking home at night, you know, [through] crazy areas of South Florida. So it's a different--it's a different bite, if you will. You know, you gotta have that bite. I feel like I take those same work ethics with me to corporate America. You know, I'm not afraid to go in extra early, to leave extra late, just to make sure that I'm giving it my all, you know? I consider myself a subject matter expert in the area that I work in, and it's because I put in those hours that once I got to that point where I had that confidence to be considered a subject matter expert, that's when I put that knowledge to work, you know? It's always taking things to the next level. So to answer your question more directly, I think that's what my culture is as far as my work ethic. It's that grind, you know? No matter what your capacity is, because [?] a white-collar worker, but having that blue-collar background, that's what really feels--to me is the best part of being who I am, because it's a dangerous combination, but in a good way. Now, relationships... culturally? I mean, Creole is a combination of French and African dialects, so it's a combination of languages, and I feel like that French side of the culture is where the relationship aspect comes from, because, I mean, my parents were--my parents were lovers, you know? My dad was a lover and a provider. My mom was a lover and a nurser, and myself, I consider myself [?], you know? But I think that passion transcends into relationships as well. So I love hard, you know? Going back to that fight, you know, I'm always in a sense of the battle, right? Like I said, it's word choice. It's a play on words to kind of trigger myself to make sure I'm doing my best and my due diligence, but even in relationships, you know, I don't waste time fearlessly, you know, going out on dates and meeting folks. I take relationships seriously, because once again it goes back to the legacy I'm trying to leave, right? And knowing that, coming from where I came from and being where I am today, it's a blessing, you know? It's a powerful opportunity to maximize on this thing called life and all of the blessings that come with it.

Sheneisha: Okay, okay. So how does that transcend your work relationships with your management, with higher-ups, with your colleagues. Those work relationships, how does your culture impact them as well?

Kennetth: I think it's a good impact because my work relationships are strong, you know, industry-wide and within my company. In my previous capacities, when I was working for one of the largest pharmacy chains in America, I had more of a client-facing role. In my current role on the pharma side I'm more on an in-house capacity, but my previous role is where I built my industry relationships. You know, I was in a national position. I traveled all over the country, and now going to the pharma capacity, coming from the pharmacy world, it's a newfound appreciation for true pharmacy operations. And all the relationships that I built is based off my credibility and ability to be that subject matter expert. So they're confident in me and what I bring to the table, so building that relationship is natural. Also, you know, they often rely on me as, like, the consultant when it comes to things that fall under my niche, which is [?] pharmacy. So to answer your question more directly, 'cause I know I get to it roundabout sometimes, I feel like my culture, and just coming from that hard work ethic background, really provided me the opportunity to do my due diligence on the front end early in my career that allowed me to more easily establish relationships, you know, on the clock and off the clock. So I'm a genuine person. It doesn't matter the parameters or the confines or the time of the day, you know? Ken that you meet between the hours of 9-5 is the same Ken that you're gonna meet between the hours of 5-9, so.

Sheneisha: Yeah, I definitely believe you should always, you know, be yourself regardless. I know it's kind of hard sometimes in that setting to be you when you're hard-pressed on every side and they want you to conform to the culture or what they have built and created, but going into that, you know, when does the switch happen? You know, when does the switch happen for you? I know sometimes they say we have the voice that we put on when we're at work or when we're around our colleagues, but when does the switch happen for Ken? To be you or to be who they want you to be in the work setting?

Kennetth: Hm. So I'll share a funny story with you. When I graduated and got an opportunity to relocate to Chicago from Florida and work in a corporate capacity at the pharmacy headquarters, that's when the switch happened, because it--you know, I didn't always have this confidence in myself professionally. I didn't always have this confidence in my ability to [?] and, you know, try to edify folks with my culture, my background. It was a shock, you know? I grew up in South Florida, went to Florida A&M University [?]. HBCU, so, you know, came from a diverse set of people in South Florida. You know, HBCUs are known for being diverse with rich black cultures, you know, of all types. And then I moved to the suburbs of Chicago, where it was zero--and I looked it up on Wikipedia--it was 0.03 black.

Sheneisha: Oh, wow.

Kennetth: It was a shock, you know? It was one of the greatest learning lessons of my life, because it was at that time I had to make that decision - you know, do I switch to something new, or do I switch up the [swag?] of what folks do in that capacity. You know, black folks being surrounded by people who don't look like them, and try to conform to the environment. I chose to stay true to myself, you know? I call it my [enrollment campaign?]. Transform, not conform, and I made sure that I transformed into a new version of myself but stayed true to who I was at the core, and then that just continued on throughout the rest of my career up to date and hopefully until, you know, the end.

Sheneisha: That's real, that's real. 'Cause I know a lot of times we get into the whole "impostor syndrome" or when you answer the phone, you know, in my environment, it goes from--if one of my friends calls me, "Hey, yo, what's up?" to if one of my colleagues call me, "Hi. Yes, you've reached Sheneisha." You know? [laughs] "Sheneisha speaking. How may I help you?" It's difficult, it's difficult, but I definitely believe you should always be who you are. And I love what you said. You know, transcend or conform to switch up the swag of who you are in this setting, to do it a different way and still be real authentic and what we call "keeping it 100," right? Keeping it a hunned. [laughs]

Kennetth: Absolutely. And I will say, you know, there's a time and place for everything, right? So if I'm presenting different things of that nature, I will probably, you know, pull out some thesaurus words or--[laughs] the better jargon, if you will. Like I said, I'm myself to the core, and I feel like that genuine spirit is what has been the greatest precursor and potentiator of everything that has happened since leaving the highs of Florida A&M University.

Sheneisha: That's real, that's real. So you're in Chicago now. You're working for Big Pharma, right? What has been your experience as a first-generation immigrant in corporate America?

Kennetth: What has been my experience?

Sheneisha: Yes. What has been your experience thus far? First-generation.

Kennetth: I would say it's been amazing, you know? It hasn't all been sunshine and rainbows, [?] and cream, but like I said, when you have that thought process of that fight, that noble fight, and also that bite, that due diligence bite--that's my South Florida coming out--you can maximize on the opportunity and have not just the faith but the optimistic spirit [mustard seed?], you know? So I'm not hard to please, you know? Like I said, I came from humble beginnings. I'm not used to making the money I'm making today. I'm not used to [having] a lot of access to certain things and just the ability to have the opportunities that I have today. I'm not used to it, you know? So I thank God for it through it all, and my experience has been remarkable, you know? I feel like it's a breath of fresh air because--they say it's lonely at the top, right, and I'm nowhere near the top mind you, but as I continue to try to climb this ladder of life, you know, I just thank God for all of the people that's in my life, you know? Surrounding me with great friends, a family that supports me more than anybody that I can ever imagine. You know, my family goes above and beyond in making sure that I feel whole, making sure that I feel loved, making sure that I don't let the stressors of back home preclude me and my progress in life. So I would say that the experience has been amazing, you know? Like I said, there's been ups and downs, but during those downtimes it's real minor compared to what it could be, you know? It's very humbling when you really reflect on situations, and you're looking at--you know, you could be complaining about something that seems so big to you in the moment, but when you really pause and consider and think about where you came from, going back to my heritage, to think about if I didn't make the decision to go off to college, if I didn't make the decision to pursue that pharmacy degree, if I didn't make the decision to leave the nest of Florida and come to Chicago for a new challenge, my complaints would be waaaay worse and probably more [?]. So even in my haste to continue to grow into the person that God called me to be, you know, life is good through it all, you know? I praise Him, I worship Him, and I give Him honor, because clearly I feel like I'm walking down the righteous path that was predestined for me. So that's why things seem to be working easier and easier as time goes along, but I continue to fight through it all, that way if, you know, somebody could throw a curveball, you know, the enemy tries to come after me, I will persevere through whatever case is thrown [because] it's just in me to do so.

Sheneisha: Speaking of, [for] you to do so, having that fight, being in corporate America now as a first-generation American, what challenges do you face? I mean, we all have that upside, but then there's times too where we have the not-so-up, right? So what challenges do you face, and then how do you overcome or navigate those challenges, being a first-generation American in corporate?

Kennetth: Got you. So one of my biggest challenges at times in corporate America is corresponding through the phone. I have a very notably deep, black voice, [laughs] and for folks who aren't used to receiving that type of baritone voice on the other side of the line for certain requests and, you know, for certain actual--what's the word, given directives as well, it becomes a challenge. You know, I've been--what's the word? I've been a telemarketer at times. You know, folks be like, "Wrong number," hang up. I'm like, "Uh, it's Ken from the other building." "Oh, oh, oh! Sorry about that. I thought--hey, what's going on?" [laughs] You know? Yeah, so it's--and that's kind of living experience in itself because, you know, no matter how far you go, no matter what you look like on paper, if you're a black male or female in America, that's who you are, you know? And then, once again, that's the bucket of everything that falls under black, myself being Haitian-American. You know, folks don't even know about your culture, so that's a challenging conversation at times. But like I said, I force that challenging conversation so folks can be receptive to it. So when May 18th comes, Haitian Flag Day, Haitian Independence Day, you know, folks know why I'm wearing red, white, and blue, and it's not because of the American flag. It's because of the Haitian flag. But that's a minor challenge if anything, but, you know, at the beginning it was kind of a slap in the face because it's like, "Okay, when is this gonna stop? When are folks gonna realize that you don't have to have that voice?" That notably Caucasian voice. You don't have to put on your Caucasian voice. There's a movie that I reference a lot called "Sorry to Bother You," where the guy in the movie, he had to put on his what they call "the white voice" in order to appease customers, and ironically enough he was a telemarketer. [laughs] But, you know, I just feel like it's 2019, you know? There's no need to do that anymore. A lot of ignorance, ignorance being a state of unawareness, as it pertains to black culture and even Haitian-American culture is being debunked because of, you know, small efforts of mine, when you just talk about yourself, talk about your background. And I don't force my background on folks, and I don't force my history on folks. I use that as a conversational starter, and then I ask them about theirs, 'cause, you know, there's a lot of time we jump to judgment that, you know, the white person in front of me is just white. They could be from France, you know? And that gives us a commonality right there. They could be from Russia, you know? They could have some Asian descent, but, you know, watered down throughout the years and through the generations, and you'll never know until you have that conversation with them. So the same energy I give in trying to edify folks and educate folks, I try to learn more as well about different individuals. I don't put them in that same bucket that it seems like society likes to put, you know, all people of black descent.

Sheneisha: That's real, that's real. Education and enlightening is very much needed. I'm gonna navigate to asking this last question to you, and hopefully you can shed some light on this and encourage and empower the other first-generation Americans, but what advice do you have to give them? For the first-generation Americans listening, young, the first in their families to do it--as you said with "the famous"--what was it?

Kennetth: "The famous first."

Sheneisha: "The famous first." What advice do you give to the famous firsts or first-generation Americans or immigrants who are listening right now?

Kennetth: The advice I would give--the first advice I would give is connect, right? We're in 2019. There is no reason why you should feel like the first and the only in any way, shape or form. You know, LinkedIn, social media. I mean, I can't really plug Instagram and Facebook as much, as I would say LinkedIn is the best--from a professional perspective anyway. I would say connect yourself, you know? If you're working in pharma and you feel or you are the only black person within your organization, your company or whatever the case may be, or one of few, connect with others like you within your company and outside of your company, in different companies, because it's important, you know? It takes a village, right? I feel like as we grow through life sometimes we lose that "village" mindset and think "Oh, we made it," or "Oh, we can take it from here," but it's a neverending thing, you know? There's always gonna be somebody that is in need of help, and there's always gonna be somebody that's willing to help. So whichever, you know, arm you fall under, be that person. So if you need help, search for it. If you're willing to help, help those who need it from you. That would be my biggest advice. Words of encouragement? Just [keep up the good grind?], you know? [Keep fighting?] the noble fight, because being the first, it's not--there shouldn't be a moment of contentment, because the moment you feel content is the moment you start growing, and I'm a firm believer that like God put the seeds on this earth, he put us on this earth to grow, so we have to continue to fight, continue to grow and reach new heights, and if that moment ever comes where we stop growing up, that's where we start growing out and supplying the world with new seeds, and that's where that mentor spirit comes. So for every question that you edify, help, and just guide along the way, they'll pay it forward, and that'll be a cascade in the right direction. So those are my words of encouragement and advice.

Sheneisha: Thank you so much, Ken. Thank you so much. Listen though, guys, this was Dr. Ken Joe and myself, Sheneisha White, giving you the advice that we have here for first-generation Americans in corporate. I hope that you found this to be enlightening and that you can take this and add to yourself, but Ken, thank you so much for your time. I know you're super-duper busy, and you're so Florida. [laughs] So thank you so much for just speaking to us today and just giving us some enlightenment on being a first-generation American in corporate. Thank you.

Kennetth: No pressure, and thank you guys for the opportunity. Hopefully it encourages somebody else or opens somebody else's eyes and that positive energy just comes through.

Sheneisha: And Ken, can we go ahead here--we're gonna put your LinkedIn information down below, but how can people reach out to you if they would like to know more about Manhood on the Go, being a first-generation American in corporate--shout-out some of your information here and your businesses so people can reach out to you.

Kennetth: Well, you know, I grew up in a generation that used to listen to Mike Jones, and he did something bold. He just threw his number out there, because, you know, some people may call and hang up, and some people may call and actually use it. So [feel free?]. The best way to reach me is area code 561-503-[?]500. I may not pick up the first or second time. I may not pick up at all. [laughs] But I definitely want to be [?]. Like I said, I'm willing to help within the confines of my schedule. I do get busy, so if you don't hear back from me right away just know I'll return your call, I'll return your text, or just try again, you know? Don't stop until you get it.

Sheneisha: How about your LinkedIn and Insta?

Kennetth: My LinkedIn you can search Kennetth Joseph PharmD, and that's Kennetth with two Ts. So funny story behind that, there is two Ts in my first name. It's not a typo. And what was the other?

Sheneisha: And your Instagram.

Kennetth: Not really on it, but it's still out there. So K3nJo3y with 3s for the Es. So K3nJo3y. That's K3nJo3y with a 3 for the Es.

Sheneisha: All right, K3nJo3y with the 3 for Es. Thank you very much. We're signing out.

Kennetth: All right, no problem. Thank you.

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